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On Friday, Assange and Anna went out to dine together. They had agreed that Assange would continue residing in Anna's flat, despite her return a day ahead of time. After dining in town, they returned to Anna's flat and drank tea.
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In answer to my question, Anna replies that neither she nor Assange had taken any alcohol during the evening. While they sat and drank tea, Assange began caressing her leg. To my question Anna replies that Assange had not made any physical approach toward her earlier that evening, except now which Anna initially welcomed. However, it felt 'unpleasant right from the start', because Assange was rough and impatient.
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Then they lay down on the bed, Anna on her back and Assange on top of her. Anna sensed that Assange wanted to insert his penis in her vagina right away, which she did not want because he was not wearing a condom. She therefore tried to twist her hips to the side and squeeze her legs together in order to prevent penetration. Anna tried several times to reach for a condom, but Assange stopped her from doing so by holding her arms and prying open her legs while trying to penetrate her with his penis without a condom. Anna says that eventually she was on the verge of tears because she was held fast and could not get a condom, and felt that 'this can end badly'. To my question Anna replies that Assange must have known that Anna was trying to reach for a condom, and that he therefore held her arms to prevent her from doing so.
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After a moment, Assange asked Anna what she was doing and why she was squeezing her legs together. Anna then told him that she wanted him to wear a condom before he came in her. At that, Assange released Anna's arms and put on a condom that Anna fetched for him. Anna sensed a strong unspoken reluctance by Assange to use a condom, as a result of which she had a feeling that he had not put on the condom that he had been given. She therefore reached down her hand to Assange's penis in order to ensure that he had really put on the condom. She felt that the rim of the condom was where it should be, at the base of Assange's penis. Anna and Assange resumed having sex and Anna says that she thought that she 'just wanted to get it over with'.
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After a short while, Anna notes that Assange withdraws from her and begins to adjust the condom. Judging from the sound, according to Anna, it seemed that Assange removed the condom. He entered her again and continued the copulation. Anna once again handled his penis and, as before, felt the rim of the condom at the base of the penis; she therefore let him continue.
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Shortly thereafter, Assange ejaculated inside her and then withdrew. When Assange removed the condom from his penis, Anna saw that it did not contain any semen. When Anna began to move her body she noticed that something 'ran' out of her vagina. Anna understood rather quickly that it must be Assange's semen. She pointed this out to Assange, but he denied it and replied that it was only her own wetness. Anna is convinced that when he withdrew from her the first time, Assange deliberately broke the condom at its tip and then continued copulating to ejaculation. |
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Mats Gehlin (police officer): Wait. And as noted, you are suspected and will be formally notified of that suspicion, and it is for the crime of molestation. The formal notification reads as follows: 'During the period from 13 to 14 August 2010, in Anna Ardin's residence at Tjurbergsgatan in Stockholm, Assange molested Anna Ardin during an act of copulation which was begun and conducted under the express condition that a condom would be used by purposely damaging the condom and continuing the copulation until he ejaculated in her vagina.'
Leif Silbersky (JA legal counsel): Is that everything?
Mats Gehlin (police officer): Yes.
Julian Assange: Is this one or two incidents?
Mats Gehlin (police officer): One incident.
Julian Assange: The 13th, the 14th [inaudible].
Gun von Krusenstjerna (interpreter): In the evening or_?
Mats Gehlin (police officer): It is during this period between the 13th...
Julian Assange: Between._ O.K.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): And so this is the question: What is your response to this accusation?
Leif Silbersky (JA legal counsel): Is it correct or incorrect?
Julian Assange: I am trying to understand exactly what he said.
Gun von Krusenstjerna (interpreter): Can you repeat it one more time?
Mats Gehlin (police officer): I can try_. The molestation would be in that you destroyed the condom.
Julian Assange: O.K.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): And that you would have done so intentionally.
Julian Assange: Yes. So in other words there are several condoms?
Mats Gehlin (police officer): Yes, in this context no, in this context it has to do with one condom on one occasion.
Julian Assange: O.K., so it's one incident...
Gun von Krusenstjerna (interpreter): One condom.
Julian Assange: Between the 13th and the 14th when you say that I have intentionally destroyed a condom during copulation.
Leif Silbersky (JAlegal counsel): Correct. What is your response to that?
Julian Assange: It is not true.
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Mats Gehlin (police officer): The interview is resumed at 6:02 p.m._ If I put it like this: You denied committing the crime and so my question is, are you aware of an event during which a condom has broken in connection with sex with Anna?
Julian Assange: No.
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Mats Gehlin (police officer): The interview is resumed at 6:02 p.m._ If I put it like this: You denied committing the crime and so my question is, are you aware of an event during which a condom has broken in connection with sex with Anna?
Julian Assange: No.
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Mats Gehlin (police officer): Is it true that you have had a sexual relationship, you and Anna?
Julian Assange: Yes, we had a sexual relationship from that Friday, the 13th, for a couple of days. We slept in the same bed until the following Friday [AUGUST 20, THE DAY JULIAN ASSANGE MOVED OUT OF ANNA ARDIN'S FLAT].
Mats Gehlin (police officer): What sort of sexual relationship was it; were there several occasions?
Julian Assange: Yes.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): Was a condom used on any of those occasions?
Julian Assange: On the first occasion; and we had sex several times on the 13th and the 14th [NIGHT OF THE 13TH/MORNING OF 14th]. And afterwards, on the other days as well, we also had a sexual relationship.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): The subsequent sexual relations, did they also involve copulation?
Julian Assange: No, it was more_ we touched each other.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): So we're talking about one time when copulation was involved?
Julian Assange: Yes, we had intercourse on the 13th and the 14th [NIGHT OF THE 13TH/MORNING OF 14th].
Mats Gehlin (police officer): And that was once, or was it several times?
Julian Assange: Several times.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): And so the first time was with a condom?
Julian Assange: Yes.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): And who was it that wanted to use a condom?
Julian Assange: I'm not sure.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): And why was a condom not used with the subsequent acts of copulation?
Julian Assange: It was used with the subsequent acts of copulation.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): O.K. I misunderstood. So you had intercourse, and then only with a condom?
Julian Assange: Yes, that is correct.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): The accusation appears to be that a condom was damaged after the copulation; and it is Anna's contention that, on one occasion when you withdrew your penis, it sounded at first as though you removed the condom. But when you entered her again,she felt with her hand and she could feel you were still wearing the condom. Then you ejaculated and, among other things, she felt that she had semen inside her. And she also looked at the condom, and there was no semen in the condom. And so the question to you is: Is this a situation that you recognize in any way?
Julian Assange: No. On one occasion Anna pointed to the bed, which had a wet spot, and said, 'Look at that. Is that you?' I said, 'No, it must be you'. And there was no more discussion about that, not a word until the accusation last Friday, a week afterward.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): Are we talking about the first occasion again_.
Julian Assange: And during that time, except for one night, Anna and I slept in the same bed. Every night except Tuesday night [DOES HE MEAN MONDAY NIGHT, WHEN HE SLEPT AT SOPHIA WILEN'S?] and Thursday night [ACCORDING TO ANNA'S AUG 21 POLICE INTERVIEW SHE STAYED WITH A FRIEND]. On Thursday evening Anna said she was going out for a few hours to visit a journalist who wrote something about me and who lived in the same area, or the same housing complex or nearby. But she did not return that evening.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): Do you remember what you did with the condom?
Julian Assange: No.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): And you have no recollection of a damaged condom, either?
Julian Assange: No. Nor have I searched for a damaged condom.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): Do you use a condom otherwise?
Julian Assange: Yes, usually; not always, but usually.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): And you say that you did not check, or you say that you do not recall what you did with the condom. Is that correct?
Julian Assange: Yes, that is correct.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): What do you normally do?
Julian Assange: I have no special routine for what I do with condoms.
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Julian Assange: When I now think back on that situation, it was no unusual occasion for me and I had no reason to suspect that I would be accused of anything afterwards. No, there was no question of any accusations of any sort, in any way. So I do not really remember when I heard the first accusation before Friday. I did not think back on that evening and night in any great detail.
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Mats Gehlin (police officer): Is it true that you have had a sexual relationship, you and Anna?
Julian Assange: Yes, we had a sexual relationship from that Friday, the 13th, for a couple of days. We slept in the same bed until the following Friday [AUGUST 20, THE DAY JULIAN ASSANGE MOVED OUT OF ANNA ARDIN'S FLAT].
Mats Gehlin (police officer): What sort of sexual relationship was it; were there several occasions?
Julian Assange: Yes.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): Was a condom used on any of those occasions?
Julian Assange: On the first occasion; and we had sex several times on the 13th and the 14th [NIGHT OF THE 13TH/MORNING OF 14th]. And afterwards, on the other days as well, we also had a sexual relationship.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): The subsequent sexual relations, did they also involve copulation?
Julian Assange: No, it was more_ we touched each other.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): So we're talking about one time when copulation was involved?
Julian Assange: Yes, we had intercourse on the 13th and the 14th [NIGHT OF THE 13TH/MORNING OF 14th].
Mats Gehlin (police officer): And that was once, or was it several times?
Julian Assange: Several times.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): And so the first time was with a condom?
Julian Assange: Yes.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): And who was it that wanted to use a condom?
Julian Assange: I'm not sure.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): And why was a condom not used with the subsequent acts of copulation?
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