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Anna states that she and Assange did not have sex again after the above-mentioned event. However, Assange continued residing with her until yesterday (Friday, 20 August). According to Anna, Assange made sexual advances to her every day after the evening when they had sex, for example by touching her breasts. Anna had rejected Assange on every such occasion, which Assange had accepted. On one occasion (on Wednesday, 18 August) he had suddenly removed all the clothes from his lower body, and then rubbed his lower body and erect penis against Anna. Anna states that she felt this was strange and unpleasant behaviour, and had therefore moved down to a mattress on the floor and slept there instead of on the bed with Assange. The following night, Anna stayed with a friend because she did not want to be with or near Assange due to his strange behaviour. She had also said after Wednesday 18 August that she no longer wanted Assange to reside at her flat, which he did not act upon until Friday [yesterday], when he took his things and returned her key.
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To my question Anna replies that Assange resided with her, but that they rarely slept together because Assange was up all night, working with his computer. When he lay down to sleep, around 7:00 a.m., Anna was usually up. |
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Mats Gehlin (police officer): Is it true that you have had a sexual relationship, you and Anna?
Julian Assange: Yes, we had a sexual relationship from that Friday, the 13th, for a couple of days. We slept in the same bed until the following Friday [AUGUST 20, THE DAY JULIAN ASSANGE MOVED OUT OF ANNA ARDIN'S FLAT].
Mats Gehlin (police officer): What sort of sexual relationship was it; were there several occasions?
Julian Assange: Yes.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): Was a condom used on any of those occasions?
Julian Assange: On the first occasion; and we had sex several times on the 13th and the 14th [NIGHT OF THE 13TH/MORNING OF 14th]. And afterwards, on the other days as well, we also had a sexual relationship.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): The subsequent sexual relations, did they also involve copulation?
Julian Assange: No, it was more_ we touched each other.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): So we're talking about one time when copulation was involved?
Julian Assange: Yes, we had intercourse on the 13th and the 14th [NIGHT OF THE 13TH/MORNING OF 14th].
Mats Gehlin (police officer): And that was once, or was it several times?
Julian Assange: Several times.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): And so the first time was with a condom?
Julian Assange: Yes.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): And who was it that wanted to use a condom?
Julian Assange: I'm not sure.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): And why was a condom not used with the subsequent acts of copulation?
Julian Assange: It was used with the subsequent acts of copulation.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): O.K. I misunderstood. So you had intercourse, and then only with a condom?
Julian Assange: Yes, that is correct.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): The accusation appears to be that a condom was damaged after the copulation; and it is Anna's contention that, on one occasion when you withdrew your penis, it sounded at first as though you removed the condom. But when you entered her again,she felt with her hand and she could feel you were still wearing the condom. Then you ejaculated and, among other things, she felt that she had semen inside her. And she also looked at the condom, and there was no semen in the condom. And so the question to you is: Is this a situation that you recognize in any way?
Julian Assange: No. On one occasion Anna pointed to the bed, which had a wet spot, and said, 'Look at that. Is that you?' I said, 'No, it must be you'. And there was no more discussion about that, not a word until the accusation last Friday, a week afterward.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): Are we talking about the first occasion again_.
Julian Assange: And during that time, except for one night, Anna and I slept in the same bed. Every night except Tuesday night [DOES HE MEAN MONDAY NIGHT, WHEN HE SLEPT AT SOPHIA WILEN'S?] and Thursday night [ACCORDING TO ANNA'S AUG 21 POLICE INTERVIEW SHE STAYED WITH A FRIEND]. On Thursday evening Anna said she was going out for a few hours to visit a journalist who wrote something about me and who lived in the same area, or the same housing complex or nearby. But she did not return that evening.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): Do you remember what you did with the condom?
Julian Assange: No.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): And you have no recollection of a damaged condom, either?
Julian Assange: No. Nor have I searched for a damaged condom.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): Do you use a condom otherwise?
Julian Assange: Yes, usually; not always, but usually.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): And you say that you did not check, or you say that you do not recall what you did with the condom. Is that correct?
Julian Assange: Yes, that is correct.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): What do you normally do?
Julian Assange: I have no special routine for what I do with condoms.
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Mats Gehlin (police officer): How was your sexual relation after that night?
Julian Assange: It was still quite warm. On one occasion after that, Anna had two orgasms. We slept in the same bed.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): And if have understood you correctly, you did not have sexual intercourse then?
Julian Assange: That is correct.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): And nothing happened during the time you resided with her after the first night?
Julian Assange: No there was no sexual intercourse; that's correct. But other sexual activities, yes.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): Were you ever rejected by Anna?
Julian Assange: In what way?
Mats Gehlin (police officer): That she rejected a sexual advance from you?
Julian Assange: Yes, sometimes but in no way that was significant. No, nothing that would in any way be unusual.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): If we go back to the first night: Did you ejaculate?
Julian Assange: Yes._
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Mats Gehlin (police officer): Leif, anything you want to_?
Leif Silbersky (legal counsel for Julian Assange): I have a couple of questions.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): Yes.
Leif Silbersky (legal counsel for Julian Assange): At what time of the day did you have sexual intercourse, what time was it approximately?
Julian Assange: Late at night and early in the morning.
Leif Silbersky (legal counsel for Julian Assange): What would you say, though; approximately what time three, four, five_?
Julian Assange: Between 11:00 p.m. and 5:00 a.m.
Leif Silbersky (legal counsel for Julian Assange): O.K. Was there any alcohol?
Julian Assange: No.
Leif Silbersky (legal counsel for Julian Assange): Neither you nor her?
Julian Assange: I do not recall that I had drunk any large quantity. We might have had white wine with dinner. But it was not an evening where we drank a lot.
Leif Silbersky (legal counsel for Julian Assange): Was either of you intoxicated?
Julian Assange: Not so intoxicated that I noticed. I would have noticed if either of us was inebriated.
Leif Silbersky (legal counsel for Julian Assange): When did you first hear from Anna about the problem we are discussing today?
Julian Assange: I have never heard about precisely this problem directly from Anna. Today [AUGUST 30, 2010] is the first time I have got an exact description of it.
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Leif Silbersky (legal counsel for Julian Assange): So during that entire week when you resided with Anna, from Friday to Friday and you had various sexual relations, she said nothing about a broken condom?
Julian Assange: No, nothing at all.
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Leif Silbersky (legal counsel for Julian Assange): O.K. I have no further questions.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): One more question occurs to me: Who was it who, shall we say, took the initiative to your advances toward each other?
Julian Assange: Anna.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): How did that happen?
Julian Assange: She said I should sleep in her bed.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): And it was in bed that things began?
Julian Assange: Yes, that is correct.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): Did either of you make any advances before you went to the bed?
Julian Assange: No.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): Did Anna say anything?
Julian Assange: No, she said something, but nothing unusual.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): And what do you mean by 'unusual'?
Julian Assange: They were just things one would expect of a lover.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): And what were your plans when it was time for you both to go to bed, then?
Julian Assange: After Anna had_?
Mats Gehlin (police officer): No, before that.
Julian Assange: Before.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): So, you are saying that she invited you to her bed.
Julian Assange: Yes, that is correct.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): Where were you planning to sleep before she invited you to the bed?
Julian Assange: Either on the floor, or._ I don't know. It is Anna's flat, after all.
Mats Gehlin (police officer): How long had you resided in Anna's flat before her return that evening?
Julian Assange: I stayed in the flat for one day when Anna was away. I got the keys three or four days before that. I had access to the flat, but I didn't sleep there. Anna, she said that_No, I don't want to discuss that, because I don't believe it has anything to do with this case. I don't want to discuss anything private if it has nothing to do with th |
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